• This Months Loganside

    The November Loganside will be on November 15th, 2009, at 7:00 pm as usual. Chuck Mitchel will speak to us.

    Chuck was born and grew up in rural Southern Idaho. Chuck served a full-time mission for the LDS Church in the Florida Tallahassee Mission where he learned to speak Southern. He met his wonderful wife at a student ward, and they were married in 2003. Chuck asked her to accompany him on the piano while he sang a special musical number in sacrament meeting and jokes that she’s been “accompanying him ever since.” Chuck and his wife are the parents of two boys, four and two, and a ten month old baby girl.

    Chuck graduated from Ricks College in 2000 and had a short lay-over at Idaho State University where he met his wife. He then enrolled at Utah State University where he graduated with dual bachelor degrees in Social Work and Sociology in 2007. He graduated from Institute and earned both certificates available post-graduation. He finished his graduate work at the University of Utah in 2008 with a Masters in Social Work, and he hopes to go on to achieve his Doctorate. Currently, Chuck works in private practice in Southeast Idaho as a Social Worker. He works with adolescent males with a variety of issues including individuals with unwanted same-sex attraction, sex addictions, and juvenile sex offenders.

    Chuck has worked with homosexual attraction issues for ten years, both his and also assisting others. He has participated in, and facilitated, online support groups for LDS individuals struggling with their attractions and trying to maintain the Gospel standards. He assisted in planning an organization that ssists adolescents with their journey. When Chuck couldn’t find the support he wanted, he and his therapist formed a support group for same-sex attracted men in his area. Chuck has been actively involved in support groups when possible.

    Chuck will be talking about his life experiences, relationships with others, and some common stumbling blocks for trying to live the Gospel who experience homosexual feelings.

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World Spins Madly On

Everything that I said I’d do
Like make the world brand new
And take the time for you
I just got lost and slept right through the dawn
And the world spins madly on

I let the day go by
I always say goodbye
I watch the stars from my window sill
The whole world is moving and I’m standing still

- The Weepies (World Spins Madly On)

Sometimes I worry about the world spinning on without me.  I don’t worry so much about the way the world is going or anything like that, but more in my personal interactions.  Most of my friends will get married and many will have succesful careers.  My family members will marry, have kids, and have their own families.  I will hopefully have my MoHo friends that will be my “family”.  We’ve half joked about buying land and starting our own little community and have our own family where we can just be ourselves and not have people wonder about why we aren’t married or anything like that.  It will be our way of making our own world spin on.

I don’t want to watch the world spin on without me, but I think I’ll have to make my own kind different life that will help me to feel like I’m moving on with my life too.

I Need A Break

I’ve had a lot going on lately – I feel like too much.  My dad is still really sick.  His good days consist of not getting worse, and his bad days involve complications and extreme discomfort.  My mom started a blog to update people as to what is going on with my dad, and if you want to read it here, you can.  With my dad being sick and my mom being in Salt Lake with him, I have been the guy in charge at home, which is pretty stressful.  My brother is handicapped and taking care of him is a huge job by itself.  On top of that, I have to take care of the house and the rest of the people that live here.  Luckilly, my parents ward is great and have been very helpful.  Last of all (yes, I just want sympathy so I am going to ramble on about everything I have to do), I have a few HUGE projects due within the next week or so and I’m trying to work my butt off to get those done.  It is a pain, but I do like most of my homework.

Gay Mormon Boy posted about this website that makes artwork out of common words from your website so I decided to give it a try.  It’s pretty cool!  Here is what I came up with.

I like that Gay, Mormon, and Church are the prominent words in there.  I guess that is what this blog is about, isn’t it?

Wordle: Hidden In The Light

Answers to Your Questions

It’s been a week, so I think I will now answer the questions sent to me, so….here it goes!

1 – Where do you see yourself 10 years from now?

In ten years, I will be….34 years old.  Oh man, that is weird to think about.  Well, by the time I am 34, I hope that I will be working with at risk youth in some way or that I will be wedding planner.  Yes, I know….  By this time, I would like to have accomplished the following: taught English in an oriental country, hike the Appalachian trail, and performed extensive humanitarian work in Africa and Central America.  I will also be looking forward to living in this Sustainable Village in Costa Rica.  I mean, really, how could someone give up tree houses?

2 – What are two of your favorite things about Utah?

Wow, ummm….that is tough.  I think the first thing I like is that there is a lot to do here without having to go too far.  Sure, we don’t have an ocean, but we do have the Great Salt Lake.  Ok, that is nothing like the ocean, other than the salt thing.  Really though, I like that within one state, you can go snowboarding or hiking or boating or whatever you want to do.  I think that Utah is a great place for recreation.  The other thing I like about Utah….hmmm….let me think about that….

3 – What do you like most about Logan?

I’m a pretty big fan of USU.  Especially USU basketball (look how manly I can sound).  I think Logan is a really pretty place and that there are some really good people here.

4 – What is your favorite TV show?

Oh man, there are a few that all come in to a close finish.  Here are some of my favorites:  The Office, 24, Parks and Recreation, Lost, What Not To Wear, and Project Runway.

5 – Who is your #1 celebrity crush?

I have a few, I think.  For a long time, it was Tom Cruise, but I think I got over that when I was about 16.  Currently, though, it is a tie between Sufjan Stevens (musician) and Christopher Straub (designer from Project Runway).  I also have a crush on a female celebrity (gasp!).  Her name is Giada De Laurentis (Food Network chef)

Sufjan Stevens

Sufjan Stevens

Chris Straub

Christopher Straub

Giada De Laurentis

Giada De Laurentis

6 – What were you for Halloween?

I was dressed up as someone who goes to work.  And then I went to work.

7 – If you could live anywhere outside the US, where would it be and why?

I would live somewhere in Europe.  I just like the way the culture seems to be, and I would live in a place where the culture really is how my mind perceives it.  Some specific countries would be Holland, France, Italy, Germany, and Spain.

8 – How old were you when you first started noticing feelings of attraction to males?

The first time I thought “I think I might be gay” was when I was 16, but I kept it tucked away in the back of my mind until I was almost home from my mission.  It wasn’t until October of 2008 that I actually “came out” to someone – which was to a therapist and then to an Evergreen group.

9 – If another Moho came to you asking whether you would recommend that they stay/left the church what would you tell them?

I think the most important thing to do in this life is to to prayerfully follow your feelings.  If that person feels that they would be happier outside the church and has felt like Heavenly Father has told them that it is up to them to decide what to do, then they should follow that.

I also think that there is a lot more gray area than “in” and “out” of the church.  I would recommend that if someone were to be in a relationship that they keep a close relationship with God and to attend a church (LDS or not) as much as they feel comfortable.

10 – If you found a woman who would marry you while knowing about you being gay, would you?

I don’t know.  I almost had the chance a few months ago.  My girlfriend knew that I was gay, which was hard for her, but she told me that she wanted to try.  It was sometimes very difficult to be in a relationship because there were days that I just didn’t want to have physical contact with her, and she knew it.

I don’t think that a mixed-orientation marriage is really fair for either partner, so…I don’t necessarily tell anyone that they shouldn’t get married, but I don’t recommend it either.  I would just be VERY cautious before entering into such a serious agreement.  (I know that people will probably disagree with me on this one)

11 – If you found ‘the guy’ would that make you consider all the possible church/family implications and consequences for a chance of having true love?

That is a really hard question for me to answer.  I really don’t know.  I think I would have to be presented with that situation in real life to be able to give a realistic answer.

A Prayer for my Father

I’ve never really like it when people send out texts or say something on their Facebook status about how someone is sick and needs your prayers.  I don’t know why I don’t like it, I just never have and have always avoided it.  Today, though, I join the ranks of those who have done so.  I took this from my sisters blog.

My dad is really sick.  It’s been almost 3 weeks since he started feeling awful.  He was diagnosed with pneumonia and given some meds.  He didn’t get better so he went back to the hospital to get checked out.  They gave him a stronger med and sent him home again.  Again he didn’t get better.  On Sunday he went back to the hospital and was admitted.  He’s been there since.  It’s been tested and confirmed that he has pneumonia and swine flu.  His blood oxygen level isn’t good, his lungs are full of fluid, and he needs to be on a ventilator.  They are flying him from the local hospital by my family’s house to Salt Lake so he can get more intense treatment.  His pneumonia and swine flu have developed into Adult Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) which has a 50% mortality rate.  Needless to say, we’re worried.

If you would, please take a moment to get on your knees, light a candle, do a ceremonial dance, or whatever it is your faith promotes and offer up a prayer for my dad.  I don’t usually publicly ask for things like this but right now he could really use all the help he can get.

Thanks.

I’ve never really been that close to my dad.  I don’t know why, but we’ve always had a pretty awkward relationship.  I don’t hate him or anything, I just don’t feel like I connect with him very well.  I think I am the child that has been the hardest for him to understand.  I still love him though.

I don’t like going to hospitals, and I avoid them whenever I can.  My brother goes quite a lot and has come close to death on quite a few of those hospital trips, but he is still alive.  For that reason, I don’t take staying at the hospital very seriously.  My dad was taken to the Emergency Room on Sunday, and has been very up and down since then.  My sister and I visited him for a few minutes on Monday.  This morning, they flew him to the LDS Hospital in Salt Lake.  I got there about an hour after he arrived.  The rest of my family (except for my older sister) was already there. My dad had been sedated and and restrained.  He has tubes going down his throat to make him breath.  I stood there with my family and a few close friends, watching my dad not breathing on his own, occasionally squirming in discomfort.  I couldn’t handle it and had to leave.  As I left, my older sister showed up.  I had been very composed until I saw her.  I hugged her and began crying.  I don’t know why, but I did.

After I left the hospital, K and I went to a coffee shop to do some homework.  I was feeling sick.  I couldn’t get the image of my suffering dad out of my head.  While I stood in line waiting for my hot chocolate, I felt like I was going to vomit.  I couldn’t take it anymore.  I grabbed my drink and hurried out the back door.

I couldn’t keep my sorrow in any longer.  I sat in an empty parking lot, bawling my eyes out.  I felt so pissed off; I didn’t know what about though.  I just knew I was upset.  I yelled some words that might have made the angels cry, but I didn’t care.  I was mad.  What if my father dies?  What will this do to my family?  How could my mom go on living?  What would happen to us? How the hell could you do this to us?

After a few minutes, I was able to finally put myself back together enough to feel comfortable in public.  I wasn’t able to get anything done.  For the rest of the day, I sat numb, walked distracted, and listened blankly.  I feel like a shell.  I don’t know what I feel right now.

I don’t know how things will turn out.  I prayed tonight, which is something I haven’t done a lot of lately, and I feel a little bit better, but not much.  I know that whatever happens will help me to grow in some way.  I just don’t know if I’m up to any more of this growing by trials crap.

The Article is Finally Published

It finally happened!  I was at the Matis Fireside last night when I got a text from my friend telling me that the article about my blog will finally be published.  I’m pretty excited about it.  You can read it here (along with some comments), or just keep scrolling down…

MoHo: Mormon homosexual.

MoHommie: A friend of Mormon homosexuals.

MoHo Chica: A Mormon lesbian or female friend to male Mormon homosexuals.

There’s an entire subculture within the Mormon church that caters specifically to homosexuals, said Beau Rushton (name has been changed upon request), a USU student, who is a Mormon and a homosexual.

“We are literally everywhere,” Rushton said. “We’re in your singles ward, we’re passing the sacrament and we’re sitting next to you in priesthood meetings.”

Rushton has always known he was gay.

“I tried to avoid anything that would be associated with being gay,” Rushton said. “I wouldn’t wear nice or colorful clothing. I would only talk about masculine things.”

Rushton went on a mission for the Mormon church and thought being attracted to men was just a phase that would disappear.

It didn’t.

“Sometimes I get so frustrated with God,” Rushton said. “I wonder why he has put me through this, why I have to deal with it.”

After two years, Rushton came home and started dating the same girl he dated in high school, Jill Marychild (name has been changed).

Despite being the best of friends and having plenty in common, there was just one issue that wouldn’t go away: Rushton was still attracted to men.

“I decided to come out to her,” Rushton said. “But it didn’t go over well. It was really hard for her.”

Marychild felt like if she were skinnier or more attractive then Rushton wouldn’t be gay, he said.

“The truth was, she was a girl that’s what I wasn’t attracted to,” Rushton said.

After a relationship of five years, Rushton and Marychild broke it off.

Rushton felt he was faced with the choice of whether to keep going to church or to abandon his faith and pursue a relationship with a man. He said he didn’t feel like there was any middle ground he felt like he could either “live the gay lifestyle” or “live a lie in the church,” he said.

“I am gay,” Rushton said. “That’s not something that is going to change. But I also want to stay in the church. I could never let that go.”

The official Web site for the Mormon church, www.lds.org, has this to say about its stance on homosexuality, “People inquire about our position on those who consider themselves so-called gays and lesbians … If they do not act upon these inclinations, then they can go forward as do all other members of the church.”

However, according to The Deseret News, the Mormon church’s stance has changed and there has been extensive research to determine whether gay people would be able to become straight. The Mormon church no longer officially advises gay men to get married to women or that their attraction to men will go away. The Mormon church advocates lifetime celibacy for gays and lesbians.

There are several organizations, such as Evergreen, that try to help gay Mormons either diminish their feelings of attraction for other men. The group Evergreen is not officially sponsored by the Mormon church, but the two are closely affiliated and Evergreen has church officials on its council and closely follows the Mormon doctrine.

Another group, known as the Matis Firesides, is not officially sponsored by the Mormon church, but it also follows Mormon teachings. It’s monthly meetings in Utah County attract around 150 attendees, Rushton said.

North Star is an online forum where gay Mormons can interact anonymously. It’s a Web site meant to help gay Mormons support one another, but it is not a dating site. North Star is where Rushton got the idea to start a blog recounting his struggles.

His blog, www.hiddeninthelight.wordpress.com, now has more than 75 followers and Rushton has started his own series of meetings called Logansides. The group meets monthly, everyone is invited and around 40 people regularly attend. The gatherings are announced on the site www.logansides.wordpress.com.

“My struggle isn’t being gay,” Rushton said. “I love being gay. It’s the conflict and finding a balance in life. That’s what I struggle with.”

After Rushton realized that there are lots of other Mormons out there who are gay, he didn’t feel so alone. It can be a difficult position to go to church and also be gay.

“When I first realized I wasn’t the only one like this, it was like a huge weight was lifted off my shoulders,” Beau said. “I felt so good. I didn’t feel alone.”

Another path

Not all of those that are raised Mormon and are gay try to live the doctrine of their church. Some people, like USU sophomore Tyler Okelberry decide to leave their religion.

There is extreme pressure in the Mormon religion to avoid all things gay, Okelberry said.

Okelberry recalls one particular morning when his mother brought in the local, Idaho newspaper and threw the wedding announcements down on the table.

“Read this,” his mother said. “It’ll make you sick.”

Okelberry’s father read the section and saw that it was the wedding announcement of a local news-radio anchor and his gay partner.

“My dad said that he was going to call the radio station and tell them he would no longer listen to the radio show because one of their DJs would chose to exhibit his homosexuality in that way,” Okelberry said.

The pressure and guilt placed on gay teens can be huge and at no fault of their own, Okelberry said.

It is not a choice to be gay, he said. Homophobia and misunderstanding can cause tension between gay Mormons and their families and friends. Okelberry couldn’t understand why his father would stop listening to one of his favorite talk shows simply because an employee at the radio station is gay.

Okelberry didn’t tell his parents that he was gay when he was a teenager because of the dislike his parents and community displayed toward gay people.

“It was as much to avoid being the topic of gossip as anything,” Okelberry said. “There’s a name to uphold, and my family is well known in that area my dad is even a Bishop. They see it as a total abomination”

In high school, Okelberry was involved in extracurricular activities. He was student body president, he ran for the cross-country team and played on the volleyball team.

“People used to ask me why I didn’t have a girlfriend, or they would try and set me up, but I had no attraction to women at all,” Okelberry said.

Okelberry said he knew other gay Mormon teenagers and when their parents found out, the teenagers had to go through long ordeals with church leaders and others in order to change their sexuality.

“All that would only make it worse for the guys,” Okelberry said. “It really messed with them.”

Slowly, Okelberry stopped going to church.He decided that he was never going to change and he may as well embrace that part of him.

Okelberry said despite all the homophobic things that the church has done, he has no hard feelings toward the Mormon Church.

“I don’t regret being raised Mormon,” he said. “I still respect the Mormon Church.”

Okelberry stopped going to church, while Rushton decided to seek support from other gay Mormons because of the misunderstandings that they face within their own religion.

Many Mormons think that being gay is a choice, which it isn’t, Rushton said. They also think that all gay people are child molesters, which is preposterous, he said. Other Mormons think that gay Mormons are less faithful or righteous.

“I have heard some of the most un-Christ like things inside a church,” Rushton said. “I once heard someone say in a church meeting that all gay people should be shot.”

Rushton advises gay Mormons to realize that they aren’t monsters, that they are normal people just like everyone else. Next, he tells them to interact with other gay Mormons, through blogging, online forums or events.

“There’s a whole community out there,” Rushton said. “We just normally don’t talk about it. It’s hidden, it’s too taboo.”

When members of the Mormon church realize someone they’ve known all their life is gay, it really changes their perception, Rushton said.

“We’re everywhere. In your average singles ward up here in Logan, there are probably about 15 gay guys,” Rushton said. “We love God too.”

And although Okelberry has chosen a different path than Rushton, their desired message is similar.

“We’re not out to get anybody,” Okelberry said. “We’re not going to hurt anyone. We’re just people, there’s no reason for anyone to be afraid of us.”

Questions

Scott recently posted about some “getting to know you” questions.  A few months ago, this was happening quite a bit in the MoHo blogosphere, and I didn’t jump on the bandwagon, but I think I want to now.  So….ask me some questions!  I want you to know me better!  After a few days of questions, I make a new post to answer them and to also let you know a little bit more about me.

If you can’t think of anything, go ahead and leave some kind of comment.  I kind of want to get an idea of who is reading my blog and stuff like that.

Optimistic Realism

I would say I’m a pretty realistic person.  I really try to see things in a realistic way, give people realistic answers, have realistic expectations, and live a realistic life.

I also try to be optimistic.  This is hard for me sometimes because realistically, things don’t always turn out positively.  I think my strength in this, though, is that I find the best out of bad experiences.

I once heard that President Hinckley called himself an optimistic realist.  I want to be the same.  I find that I am happiest when I can do that.  When I can see things for what they really are but to also see them for what they can be.  This kind of goes along with the Thomas Theorem which states: “If someone defines something as being real, it is real in it’s consequences”.  When we can see somewhat for what they really are and then see them for what they might become, we are better able to treat them as they might become and they will eventually live up to that treatment.

We can do the same with situations.  Assess a situation, and try to look at it realistically (for all intents and purposes of this blog, we shall use the experience of Same Gender Attraction, or whatever it is we are calling it these days).

When I finally faced the fact that I am gay and a Mormon, I didn’t want to face the realities of it (rejection, a single/”sinful” life/life of lies, misunderstanding, hatred from self and outside sources, etc.).  It was so overwhelming.  As I came to terms with this fact, reality set in a little bit more.  I had told a few friends and family, and had positive experiences with it.  I was still scared of those realities listed above, but I also learned of other realities that come along with my experience (love, understanding, help, compassion, friendship).

Once I was able to see things in the spectrum of my reality, I was able to see things more clearly.  When I had a good grasp on what was really going on, I could make the best of my situation. I began to explore the positive possibilities of my future life – that is,  being single and all that entails – having the job I want, going where I want to go, and doing what I want to do – free of restraints I would have had otherwise.

I am optimistic about the future.  I still am not completely certain of what will come and where I might go, but I am excited about it all.  I feel like I have a realistic grasp on what my life might consist of (the positive and the negative) and I’m facing it with the best attitude I can.  I will make the best of what may come and look forward to what I will learn.

Bring it on.

The Awakening

When I was an English major a few years ago, we had to read The Awakening by Kate Chopin.

I don’t remember all the details of the book, but I do remember really liking it and feeling some kind of a connection with it.  It is about a woman in Louisiana in the late 1800’s.  She is married and is a mother of two.  She has always done what was expected of her and finds herself unhappily married with children.  She doesn’t want to be a mother anymore, nor does she want to be married.  It isn’t that she doesn’t love her husband and children; she is just tired of playing that role.

The line “She wanted something so happen – something, anything.  She did not know what” is kind of the theme of the book.  She searches in desperation for something to fill the hole that she feels.  This feeling overpowers her and she searches through different lifestyle options.  She tries swiming, having affairs, music, art, and other things.  She enjoys each new adventure, but never really has a feeling of fulfillment.

In the end, she has nothing.  She was never able to find something satisfying.  The first time that she feels “something” is when she goes swimming, and in the end of the book, she goes swimming again.  This time, she walks onto the beach and takes her bathing suit off.  She walks naked into the water and begins swimming.  She swims and swims – farther than ever before.  Her legs and arms feel heavy, and she drowns.

Sometimes I feel the same way.  I flounder from thing to thing; place to place; person to person.  I never feel satisfied with who, where, and what I am. It always leads me to think that I am of little worth.  I lack the motivation to do anything.  I have no feelings.  I’m numb.

I talked to my friend K (I really need to come up with a name for her, since I always talk about her) about how I’ve been feeling.  After talking about her (and others) similar feelings, I have decided to see a therapist about depression.

I don’t think it is severe.  I’ve never had suicidal thoughts.  I do get very down sometimes and lack any motivation or feeling.  I hesitate posting about this because I don’t want people to think that I’m seeking attention.  I don’t know if I am or not, but it is something I’ve been thinking a lot about lately, and I wanted to get it off my chest.  So there it is.

On an unrelated note, I love the last few lines of the book when Edna dies, so I decided to add them here.  I just think that they are beautiful in their description.

It was too late; the shore was far behind her, and her strength was gone.

She looked into the distance, and the old terror flamed up for an instant, then sank again.  Edna heard her father’s voice and her sister Margaret’s.  She head the barking of an old dog that was chained to the sycamore tree.  The spurs of the cavalry officer clanged as he walked across the porch.  There was the hum of bees, and the musky odor of pinks filled the air.

What I Want

What is the purpose of this blog?

I have gone through some of my previous posts and found quotes that I fell like epitomize what I want this blog to be.  There is only one quote that I actually say what I want people to get out of this blog, which is this one:

I’m not ashamed of the fact that I’m gay and that I’m active in the LDS church.  I want people to understand me and my situation better.  I want those who experience same gender attraction to know they are not alone and that they are normal.  I want them to know that there are more options then “living a lie in the church” and “living the lifestyle”.I want members of the church that have little or no experience with homosexuality other than what they see and hear on the news to be more understanding of something that tends to be taboo in Mormon culture.  I want all members of the church to be more understanding and loving of those who are different.  We all have things that we have to deal with, and some of those things are easy to hide.  Usually those things that are hidden are usually the things that can provide the greatest learning experiences.  Camille Fronk Olsen said at a Matis Fireside when someone asked her “Why is there this cookie cutter mentality in the Church?”  She replied, “It’s easy to focus on the outward appearance. Whatever the Ensign cover looks like, that’s how life should be! But really, the best articles in the Ensign are by ‘Name Withheld’”

This next quote is more or less an example of some of the frustrations I experience.  I include this so that people who do not experience Same Gender Attraction can know what I sometimes feel.

I remember a few times that I have been upset with God for putting me through this.  Why the hell do I have to want something so bad, and in order to be in complete harmony with the church, not give in to what I want?  Why do I have to endure hateful rhetoric in an environment that should not be a place where that occurs?  Why do I have to experience the pain of peope putting me on a lower level then themselves because “there is something wrong with me”?  Why do people think that I have less faith or am less worthy than them?  What the hell?

This last quote is just one that I love that I read on someone else blog.  I think this is really the ultimate goal of any movement (not that I’m trying to start a movement, but I do want to increase understanding and break down walls).

“Civilization is the process in which one gradually increases the number of people included in the term ‘we’ or ‘us’ and at the same time decreases those labeled ‘you’ or ‘them’ until that category has no one left in it.”
- Howard Winters

Not Published….Yet

So, an update for those of you that were expecting a post yesterday about the article about my blog.

My friend that wrote the article texted me Sunday night to inform me that they decided to postpone printing the article for a few weeks so that they can expand it and cover other areas of the MoHo world, from Evergreen to gay mormons that have left the church.  So, please be patient!  It will come out (haha) soon!